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DrPizza -> R2 compatibility with 3.5 utils (Dec. 10, '05, 4:39:27 PM)

Using R2 RTM and the SDK package from http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=8B4987E6-D960-49A2-BF52-D3FBD654254C&displaylang=en there seems to be a problem.

I want to intall pkg so that I can use the packages from this site, but the new 'tar' it installs doesn't work. It crashes out, saying:
 

$ ./tar
./tar: error in loading shared libraries
libc.so.3.5: system cannot relocate image
$

The pax binary crashes in the same way. The ftp binary runs, but doesn't run properly. Specifically, it can't resolve any DNS names. It can connect to hosts if you specify an IP address, but not a name.

Are these issues known, or is something damaged?



Rodney -> RE: R2 compatibility with 3.5 utils (Dec. 11, '05, 6:52:51 AM)

Something is broken with the release candidate.
Things were fine through beta1, beta2 and RC0 (release candidate 0).
At RC1 the loading of 3.5 shared libraries became broken.
Static builds from 3.5 are still fine.
Final release is supposed to have this fixed.
There is an RC2 that has "appeared" but not to all of the Beta test group
(I heard about it on Thursday through the grapevine). But I don't know if
it has the issue fixed.



DrPizza -> RE: R2 compatibility with 3.5 utils (Dec. 12, '05, 9:15:38 AM)

Is there no way to fix it?

And as I said, I'm not using a release candidate; I'm using the RTM (final) version.



breiter -> RE: R2 compatibility with 3.5 utils (Dec. 12, '05, 9:55:23 AM)

DrPizza,

The Utilities and SDK package are not RTM, even though SUA and Win2k3 R2 are RTM.
quote:

This is a pre-release version of Utilities and SDK for Subsystem for UNIX-based Applications. The full release version will be available on this Web site starting January 7, 2006.

The only dowload avaialable is the RC0 version.



DrPizza -> RE: R2 compatibility with 3.5 utils (Dec. 12, '05, 10:10:18 AM)

Oh, the libs come with the utilities and SDK, not SUA itself?

That seems... bizzarre.



breiter -> RE: R2 compatibility with 3.5 utils (Dec. 12, '05, 11:13:45 AM)

I haven't made tried SUA myself, yes, my impression is that SUA is a bare-bones POSIX subsystem that doesn't even include shells or libraries. Check out the contents of BaseUtils\bin and BaseUtils\usr\sbin, BaseUtils\usr\bin, BaseUtils\usr\lib, BaseUtils\opt\gcc.3.3\lib, etc. in the extracted "Utilities and SDK for UNIX-based Applications_X86" download.

I'm interested to know how this gets resolved.



Rodney -> RE: R2 compatibility with 3.5 utils (Dec. 12, '05, 1:10:06 PM)

R2 is still doing release candidates.
The SUA that is with R2 is just the "Jewels" (subsystem, terminals, etc.).
The utilities are a separate download which can be started from a Start Menu shortcut.
This may change for Vista/Longhorn, but no word on it being for sure.

Through the Beta site R2 RC1 is what is available. A special site has the R2 RC2.



breiter -> RE: R2 compatibility with 3.5 utils (Dec. 12, '05, 2:10:22 PM)

> R2 is still doing release candidates.

Now, I'm just plain confused. The Windows Server 2003 part of Microsoft's website says that R2 has been released to manufacturing. MSDN subscriber downloads has R2 RTM listed.

I assume this only includes a bare POSIX subsystem and little or nothing else--the crown jewels. Basically this is the raw POSIX API over the NT kernel, but this is RTM gold code right?

The "Utilities and Software Development Kit (SDK) for Subsystem for UNIX-based Applications" which includes all the userland stuff is still BETA until Jan 7th. Further, the gold Interix 5.2 subsystem isn't compatible with the publically available RC0 userland "utilities and SDK" package.

So the first non-beta usable SUA/Interix 5.2 is a few weeks away.

Does that about sum it up?



DrPizza -> RE: R2 compatibility with 3.5 utils (Dec. 12, '05, 4:36:47 PM)

quote:

R2 is still doing release candidates.

Nope, it went RTM about a week ago.
quote:

Through the Beta site R2 RC1 is what is available. A special site has the R2 RC2.

Through MSDN, R2 RTM is available.



auximini -> RE: R2 compatibility with 3.5 utils (Jan. 2, '06, 4:41:01 PM)

I'm running into the exact same problem -- plus more oddities.

I found that when you do a Repair on the SUA MSI file, it fixes the library problem, but then I also noticed that the version of tar that ships with SUA does not support decompression. So I downloaded the tar-gnu source and compiled it. But when installing OpenSSH, I get the same library problem. Doing a Repair does not fix it this time. Also, it complains about /etc/resolv.conf missing. What's going on here?



Rodney -> RE: R2 compatibility with 3.5 utils (Jan. 2, '06, 5:01:09 PM)

The problem is as I noted earlier in the thread. Only we now know it applies to RTM too.
That is, the 3.5 shared libraries won't load anymore. They did through R2's Beta and RC0.
I've asked the SUA development group "what's up?" and hopefully I'll hear something back soon.
(Static binaries are fine from 3.5 still).



gwojan -> RE: R2 compatibility with 3.5 utils (Jan. 9, '06, 4:05:02 PM)

Rodney,

Do you know if this issue has been resolved yet? I looked at the downloads page and it was update today (1/9/2006) but the file to be downloaded is dated September.

Inquiring minds want to know. [:)]



Rodney -> RE: R2 compatibility with 3.5 utils (Jan. 9, '06, 4:45:00 PM)

Sorry, I meant to follow-up here.
The development group now knows of the problem and is working on it as of the end of last week.



DrPizza -> RE: R2 compatibility with 3.5 utils (Jan. 9, '06, 8:32:49 PM)

It seems somewhat unsatisfactory that they only acknowledge the problem after they "release" the software.

Any ETA on a fix?



breiter -> RE: R2 compatibility with 3.5 utils (Jan. 9, '06, 8:43:59 PM)

The link at the start of the thread now appears to point to a Gold code package of UNIX tools.
quote:

Utilities and Software Development Kit (SDK) for Subsystem for UNIX-based Applications
Brief Description
Utilities and SDK for Subsystem for UNIX-Based Applications is an add-on to the Subsystem for UNIX-Based Applications (referred to as SUA, hence forth) component that shipped with Microsoft Windows Server 2003 R2.
Download files below
Quick Details
Version: 2021-2
Date Published: 9/8/2005
Language: English
Download Size: 175.3 MB - 351.2 MB*
*Download size depends on selected download components.
Overview
Utilities and SDK for UNIX-Based Applications is an add-on to the Subsystem for UNIX-Based Applications (referred to as SUA, hence forth) component that shipped with Microsoft Windows Server 2003 R2. This consists of the following components:

- Base Utilities
- SVR-5 Utilities
- Base SDK
- GNU SDK
- GNU Utilities
- UNIX Perl
- Visual Studio Debugger Add-in

In addition to the features provided in Windows Services For UNIX 3.5, this release enables 64-bit application development for SUA. This release also enables development and porting of custom UNIX applications using the Windows OCI (Oracle Call Interface) and Windows ODBC libraries (collectively referred to as ‘Mixed Mode’ in the rest of the document).


So before I make a mess out of my workstation, who has tried this whole SUA upgrade out already?



DrPizza -> RE: R2 compatibility with 3.5 utils (Jan. 9, '06, 8:47:07 PM)

The file is literally identical to its predecessor (the "beta" version).



Rodney -> RE: R2 compatibility with 3.5 utils (Jan. 9, '06, 8:51:45 PM)

replying to Dr. Pizza:
> Any ETA on a fix?

None has been communicated to me.

replying to Brian:
> The link at the start of the thread now appears to point to a Gold code package of UNIX tools.

This release includes security patches and/or a security review to a number of utilities (most daemons and setuid programs)
from those released in 3.5 (BSD base utilties). I haven't used this published package yet, but I've been using
these programs for the past several weeks (since I made the changes I used them day-to-day).



Rodney -> RE: R2 compatibility with 3.5 utils (Jan. 9, '06, 8:57:40 PM)

> The file is literally identical to its predecessor (the "beta" version).

Don't know why. There will be no new files and the files are likely to be the same size.
But there should be a difference with the check sums.



DrPizza -> RE: R2 compatibility with 3.5 utils (Jan. 10, '06, 7:33:39 AM)

Unless they intended (but forgot) to update the link when they updated the page, that's the situation.

Why would there be a checksum difference?



breiter -> RE: R2 compatibility with 3.5 utils (Jan. 10, '06, 7:47:27 AM)

I think Dr. Pizza might be on to something. The file create timestamps are all Tuesday, Sept 06, 2005.



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