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 operation of "ls" inconsistant - May 20, '04, 9:25:00 AM
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benker
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Why does running "ls" always produce a listing of the files in a directory, but running "ls -l" SOMETIMES produces a listing of nothing.
Ex.
-159-> ls
a2ps-4.13.old groff-1.19.1.tar.gz pkg-1.6-bin35.sh psutils-p17.tar
a2ps-4.13b.tar groff-1.19.1a.tar.gz psutils
-160-> ls -l
-161->
This problem doesn't happen all of the time, but definitely happens enough to be trouble.
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 RE: operation of "ls" inconsistant - May 20, '04, 10:11:58 AM
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markfunk
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I've never, ever seen this behaviour before.
What filesystem is this happening on ? (local/remote, NTFS/Samba,FAT)
Make sure 'ls' is the correct one by using "/bin/ls" (ie it is not an alias)
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RE: operation of "ls" inconsistant - May 20, '04, 10:25:06 AM
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benker
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"ls" isn't aliased (and running "which ls" shows "/bin/ls").
I'm not sure if I've seen it on "/dev/fs/C" which is NTFS, but I know I've seen it a number of times on a remotely mounted drive.
< Message edited by benker -- May 20, '04, 10:25:34 AM >
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RE: operation of "ls" inconsistant - May 20, '04, 10:35:10 AM
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markfunk
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If you've only seen it on remote volumes, then you've got some sort of networking problems. Or a flaky remote filesystem.
This would be outside the scope of Interix.
Whst type of filesystem is the remotely mounted drive ?
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RE: operation of "ls" inconsistant - May 20, '04, 10:51:09 AM
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benker
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I'll keep my eyes open to see if this "ls" problem shows up on my C: (NTFS).
My remote drive is NTFS (Windows 2003 Server).
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RE: operation of "ls" inconsistant - May 20, '04, 11:18:19 AM
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Rodney
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When ls -l fails it's usually because stat() has
failed. I have seen it where a stat() call has failed.
It's usually a permission thing on the (parent) directory.
However, ls complains about it -- it's not silent.
Being silent is new.
As an alternative you could install lc. It doesn't have
as many options as ls, but it has many different and useful
ones (like visually dividing the different file types into groups).
Anyway, lc is different code which does things differently so
it may help figure out what the problem is. Now lc doesn't
have ls's "-l" option so you can use lc's "-i" option to
get it to invoke stat() (for example).
Something may come of the difference between ls and lc
because ls uses the fts_*() API's and lc does not.
Look at the perms on the parent directory (do a cacls as well
as an ls -l).
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RE: operation of "ls" inconsistant - May 27, '04, 11:12:29 AM
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benker
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There seems to be an abnormality in the operation of "ls" with the "-l" switch. I don't think it is related to permissions.
I just ran "ls" several times and here are the results:
======================================================================
-62-> ls -al
total 28
drwx------+ 6 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:57 .
drwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 25 11:01 ..
drwx------+ 3 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 15:39 basecase
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 856 Jan 16 2002 channel-select.names.idev
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 429 May 27 10:41 copy-rdch
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 226 Feb 9 2002 create-dirs
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 1972 Jan 24 2002 goose-lake.rdch
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 7989 May 26 13:47 master.dynamics.idev
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:51 plot
drwx------ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 13:24 psse-programs-v28
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 412 May 27 09:33 run-dynamics-all0
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 436 Jan 24 2002 run-dynamics-all1
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 843 May 27 09:36 run-dynamics-case
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:55 run01
-63-> mv goose-lake.rdch troutbrook.rdch
-64-> nedit troutbrook.rdch
-65-> ls -al
-66-> ls -al
-67-> ls -al
-68-> ls -al
-69-> ls -al
-70->
-70->
-70->
-70-> ls -al
-71-> ls
basecase master.dynamics.idev run-dynamics-all1
channel-select.names.idev plot run-dynamics-case
copy-rdch psse-programs-v28 run01
create-dirs run-dynamics-all0 troutbrook.rdch
-72-> ls -al
-73-> ls -al
-74-> ls -al
-75-> ls -al
total 26
drwx------+ 6 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 11:00 .
drwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 25 11:01 ..
drwx------+ 3 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 15:39 basecase
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 856 Jan 16 2002 channel-select.names.idev
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 429 May 27 10:41 copy-rdch
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 226 Feb 9 2002 create-dirs
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 7989 May 26 13:47 master.dynamics.idev
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:51 plot
drwx------ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 13:24 psse-programs-v28
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 412 May 27 09:33 run-dynamics-all0
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 436 Jan 24 2002 run-dynamics-all1
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 843 May 27 09:36 run-dynamics-case
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:55 run01
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 983 May 27 11:01 troutbrook.rdch
-76->
======================================================================
What happened for commands #65-69,70,72-74?
Before I ran command #75, I opened a Windows file manager and simply navigated to the directory.
< Message edited by benker -- May 27, '04, 11:43:59 AM >
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RE: operation of "ls" inconsistant - May 27, '04, 11:30:32 AM
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markfunk
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Before diagnosing this, could you please use "/bin/ls" instead of "ls".
And could you also do "/bin/pwd; df -k ."
thanks,
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RE: operation of "ls" inconsistant - May 27, '04, 11:42:47 AM
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benker
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"which ls" returns "/bin/ls"; but next time I have the problem (it is sporadic), I'll explicitly run "/bin/ls".
As for the other requested command:
-80-> /bin/pwd; df -k
/dev/fs/J/new-hampshire
Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Type Mounted on
//HarddiskVolume1 35554648 18103014 17451634 51% ntfs /dev/fs/C
//WinDfs/J:0 551319184 328862084 222457100 60% ntfs /dev/fs/J
//WinDfs/K:0 551319184 373328916 177990268 68% ntfs /dev/fs/K
//WinDfs/N:0 3443516 1247932 2195584 36% ntfs /dev/fs/N
CTBER1F-NAS1:/shareddataber05
350839484 208265740 142573744 59% ntfs /dev/fs/P
//NetWareRedirector/NU-EAST-4/DATAVOL
57592128 1922624 55669504 3% ??? /dev/fs/R
//NetWareRedirector/NU-EAST-1/DATAVOL
78072128 17214336 60857792 22% ??? /dev/fs/S
//NetWareRedirector/NU-EAST-4/SYS/PUBLIC
1024000 407488 616512 40% ??? /dev/fs/Z
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RE: operation of "ls" inconsistant - May 27, '04, 11:59:20 AM
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markfunk
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If there's a bug in Interix, it will be in the subsystem.
The "WinDfs" handling probably has a bug - some unexpected condition/timing problem.
You'll have to take this problem to Microsoft support
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RE: operation of "ls" inconsistant - May 27, '04, 12:01:17 PM
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Rodney
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The last post I made still holds. There's likely a permission
problem. There are "+"s littering the permissions output by ls -l
indicating extra ACL entries. These could be affecting the whole thing.
So: what are the perms on the parent directory (by ls and cacls)
please?
Also: install lc from /Tools and try running it. It's options are different
than ls and it's completely different code. This way the results can
be contrasted/compared. ("ls -al" =~ "lc -aPUG")
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RE: operation of "ls" inconsistant - May 27, '04, 12:12:51 PM
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benker
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Rodney, if it was something with the permissions, wouldn't you expect that it would occur 100% of the time. In the example I posted, I never changed directories. I think markfunk may have something with his thought that a timing problem may be the problem. That could explain why the problem does not happen consistently.
Here is an example where "ls" worked every other time. Nothing changed in between. I just kept running "ls -al" without doing a single other task. Note commands 93/94, 95/96, 97/98. Then it started working 100% after running "/bin/ls" (see #102/103):
-90-> ls -al
total 26
drwx------+ 6 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 11:00 .
drwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 25 11:01 ..
drwx------+ 3 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 15:39 basecase
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 856 Jan 16 2002 channel-select.names.idev
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 429 May 27 10:41 copy-rdch
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 226 Feb 9 2002 create-dirs
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 7989 May 26 13:47 master.dynamics.idev
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:51 plot
drwx------ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 13:24 psse-programs-v28
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 412 May 27 09:33 run-dynamics-all0
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 436 Jan 24 2002 run-dynamics-all1
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 843 May 27 09:36 run-dynamics-case
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:55 run01
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 983 May 27 11:48 troutbrook1.rdch
-91-> mv troutbrook1.rdch troutbrook.rdch
-92-> nedit troutbrook.rdch
-93-> ls -al
-94-> ls -al
total 26
drwx------+ 6 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 11:49 .
drwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 25 11:01 ..
drwx------+ 3 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 15:39 basecase
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 856 Jan 16 2002 channel-select.names.idev
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 429 May 27 10:41 copy-rdch
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 226 Feb 9 2002 create-dirs
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 7989 May 26 13:47 master.dynamics.idev
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:51 plot
drwx------ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 13:24 psse-programs-v28
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 412 May 27 09:33 run-dynamics-all0
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 436 Jan 24 2002 run-dynamics-all1
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 843 May 27 09:36 run-dynamics-case
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:55 run01
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 983 May 27 11:49 troutbrook.rdch
-95-> ls -al
-96-> ls -al
total 26
drwx------+ 6 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 11:49 .
drwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 25 11:01 ..
drwx------+ 3 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 15:39 basecase
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 856 Jan 16 2002 channel-select.names.idev
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 429 May 27 10:41 copy-rdch
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 226 Feb 9 2002 create-dirs
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 7989 May 26 13:47 master.dynamics.idev
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:51 plot
drwx------ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 13:24 psse-programs-v28
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 412 May 27 09:33 run-dynamics-all0
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 436 Jan 24 2002 run-dynamics-all1
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 843 May 27 09:36 run-dynamics-case
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:55 run01
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 983 May 27 11:49 troutbrook.rdch
-97-> ls -al
-98-> ls -al
total 26
drwx------+ 6 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 11:49 .
drwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 25 11:01 ..
drwx------+ 3 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 15:39 basecase
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 856 Jan 16 2002 channel-select.names.idev
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 429 May 27 10:41 copy-rdch
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 226 Feb 9 2002 create-dirs
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 7989 May 26 13:47 master.dynamics.idev
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:51 plot
drwx------ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 13:24 psse-programs-v28
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 412 May 27 09:33 run-dynamics-all0
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 436 Jan 24 2002 run-dynamics-all1
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 843 May 27 09:36 run-dynamics-case
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:55 run01
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 983 May 27 11:49 troutbrook.rdch
-99-> /bin/ls -al
total 26
drwx------+ 6 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 11:49 .
drwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 25 11:01 ..
drwx------+ 3 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 15:39 basecase
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 856 Jan 16 2002 channel-select.names.idev
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 429 May 27 10:41 copy-rdch
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 226 Feb 9 2002 create-dirs
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 7989 May 26 13:47 master.dynamics.idev
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:51 plot
drwx------ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 13:24 psse-programs-v28
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 412 May 27 09:33 run-dynamics-all0
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 436 Jan 24 2002 run-dynamics-all1
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 843 May 27 09:36 run-dynamics-case
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:55 run01
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 983 May 27 11:49 troutbrook.rdch
-100-> /bin/ls -al
total 26
drwx------+ 6 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 11:49 .
drwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 25 11:01 ..
drwx------+ 3 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 15:39 basecase
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 856 Jan 16 2002 channel-select.names.idev
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 429 May 27 10:41 copy-rdch
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 226 Feb 9 2002 create-dirs
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 7989 May 26 13:47 master.dynamics.idev
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:51 plot
drwx------ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 13:24 psse-programs-v28
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 412 May 27 09:33 run-dynamics-all0
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 436 Jan 24 2002 run-dynamics-all1
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 843 May 27 09:36 run-dynamics-case
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:55 run01
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 983 May 27 11:49 troutbrook.rdch
-101-> /bin/ls -al
total 26
drwx------+ 6 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 11:49 .
drwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 25 11:01 ..
drwx------+ 3 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 15:39 basecase
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 856 Jan 16 2002 channel-select.names.idev
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 429 May 27 10:41 copy-rdch
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 226 Feb 9 2002 create-dirs
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 7989 May 26 13:47 master.dynamics.idev
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:51 plot
drwx------ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 13:24 psse-programs-v28
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 412 May 27 09:33 run-dynamics-all0
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 436 Jan 24 2002 run-dynamics-all1
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 843 May 27 09:36 run-dynamics-case
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:55 run01
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 983 May 27 11:49 troutbrook.rdch
-102-> ls -al
total 26
drwx------+ 6 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 11:49 .
drwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 25 11:01 ..
drwx------+ 3 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 15:39 basecase
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 856 Jan 16 2002 channel-select.names.idev
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 429 May 27 10:41 copy-rdch
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 226 Feb 9 2002 create-dirs
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 7989 May 26 13:47 master.dynamics.idev
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:51 plot
drwx------ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 13:24 psse-programs-v28
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 412 May 27 09:33 run-dynamics-all0
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 436 Jan 24 2002 run-dynamics-all1
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 843 May 27 09:36 run-dynamics-case
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:55 run01
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 983 May 27 11:49 troutbrook.rdch
-103-> ls -al
total 26
drwx------+ 6 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 11:49 .
drwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 25 11:01 ..
drwx------+ 3 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 15:39 basecase
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 856 Jan 16 2002 channel-select.names.idev
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 429 May 27 10:41 copy-rdch
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 226 Feb 9 2002 create-dirs
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 7989 May 26 13:47 master.dynamics.idev
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:51 plot
drwx------ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 13:24 psse-programs-v28
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 412 May 27 09:33 run-dynamics-all0
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 436 Jan 24 2002 run-dynamics-all1
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 843 May 27 09:36 run-dynamics-case
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:55 run01
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 983 May 27 11:49 troutbrook.rdch
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RE: operation of "ls" inconsistant - May 27, '04, 12:26:57 PM
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benker
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I think here is proof that there is a timing problem. The only thing that happened between #114 and #115 is that I was away from my computer for a while. Note that "ls" works (as it always does), but using the "-al" switches causes it to malfunction. Note #128/129 also:
-114-> ls -al
total 26
drwx------+ 6 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 11:52 .
drwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 25 11:01 ..
drwx------+ 3 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 15:39 basecase
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 856 Jan 16 2002 channel-select.names.idev
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 429 May 27 10:41 copy-rdch
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 226 Feb 9 2002 create-dirs
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 7989 May 26 13:47 master.dynamics.idev
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:51 plot
drwx------ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 13:24 psse-programs-v28
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 412 May 27 09:33 run-dynamics-all0
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 436 Jan 24 2002 run-dynamics-all1
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 843 May 27 09:36 run-dynamics-case
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:55 run01
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 983 May 27 11:52 troutbrook.rdch
-115-> ls -al
-116-> ls -al
-117-> ls -al
-118-> ls -al
-119-> /bin/ls -al
-120-> /bin/ls -al
-121-> /bin/ls -al
-122-> ls -al
-123-> ls -al
-124-> ls
basecase master.dynamics.idev run-dynamics-all1
channel-select.names.idev plot run-dynamics-case
copy-rdch psse-programs-v28 run01
create-dirs run-dynamics-all0 troutbrook.rdch
-125-> ls -al
-126-> /bin/ls -al
-127-> /bin/ls
basecase master.dynamics.idev run-dynamics-all1
channel-select.names.idev plot run-dynamics-case
copy-rdch psse-programs-v28 run01
create-dirs run-dynamics-all0 troutbrook.rdch
-128-> ls -al
-129-> ls -l
total 26
drwx------+ 3 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 15:39 basecase
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 856 Jan 16 2002 channel-select.names.idev
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 429 May 27 10:41 copy-rdch
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 226 Feb 9 2002 create-dirs
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 7989 May 26 13:47 master.dynamics.idev
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:51 plot
drwx------ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 13:24 psse-programs-v28
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 412 May 27 09:33 run-dynamics-all0
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 436 Jan 24 2002 run-dynamics-all1
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 843 May 27 09:36 run-dynamics-case
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:55 run01
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 983 May 27 11:52 troutbrook.rdch
-130-> ls -al
total 26
drwx------+ 6 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 11:52 .
drwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 25 11:01 ..
drwx------+ 3 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 15:39 basecase
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 856 Jan 16 2002 channel-select.names.idev
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 429 May 27 10:41 copy-rdch
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 226 Feb 9 2002 create-dirs
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 7989 May 26 13:47 master.dynamics.idev
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:51 plot
drwx------ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 26 13:24 psse-programs-v28
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 412 May 27 09:33 run-dynamics-all0
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 436 Jan 24 2002 run-dynamics-all1
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 843 May 27 09:36 run-dynamics-case
drwxr-xr-x 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 10:55 run01
-rwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 983 May 27 11:52 troutbrook.rdch
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RE: operation of "ls" inconsistant - May 27, '04, 12:31:26 PM
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Rodney
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I'm not saying Mark isn't correct.
But it needs more isolation to say whether it's ls using the fts*() API's
or a subsystem bug (lc doesn't use fts*() api's). Having the full ACL info
will help by showing there is/isn't a permission problem. Then the evidence is
clear and (hopefully) overwhelming when sent to MS support. Any problem showing
up that potentially involves timing is a pain; it can show up for you and not
for anyone else.
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RE: operation of "ls" inconsistant - May 27, '04, 12:38:43 PM
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benker
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The perms on the parent directory (by ls and cacls) are:
-25-> ls -ald . ..
drwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 11:52 .
drwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 25 11:01 ..
-26-> cacls .
J:\new-hampshire\troutbrook\dynamics NU\benkech:(OI)(CI)(DENY)(special access:)
WRITE_DAC
NU\benkech:(OI)(CI)C
NU\DL-FS-ADMIN-FC:(OI)(CI)F
NU\Domain Admins:(OI)(CI)F
-27-> cacls ..
J:\new-hampshire\troutbrook NU\benkech:(OI)(CI)(DENY)(special access:)
WRITE_DAC
NU\benkech:(OI)(CI)C
NU\DL-FS-ADMIN-FC:(OI)(CI)F
NU\Domain Admins:(OI)(CI)F
-28->
Here is some more weirdness:
-4-> ls -alt
-5-> ls -alt
-6-> ls -alt
-7-> ls -lt
-8-> ls -lt
-9-> ls
basecase master.dynamics.idev run-dynamics-all1
channel-select.names.idev plot run-dynamics-case
copy-rdch psse-programs-v28 run01
create-dirs run-dynamics-all0 troutbrook.rdch
-10-> ls -alt
-11-> ls -lt
-12-> ls -at
-13-> ls -t
-14-> ls
basecase master.dynamics.idev run-dynamics-all1
channel-select.names.idev plot run-dynamics-case
copy-rdch psse-programs-v28 run01
create-dirs run-dynamics-all0 troutbrook.rdch
-15-> /bin/ls
basecase master.dynamics.idev run-dynamics-all1
channel-select.names.idev plot run-dynamics-case
copy-rdch psse-programs-v28 run01
create-dirs run-dynamics-all0 troutbrook.rdch
-16-> /bin/ls -alt
-17-> /bin/ls -lt
-18-> /bin/ls -t
-19-> /bin/ls -al
-20-> /bin/ls -a
. create-dirs run-dynamics-all1
.. master.dynamics.idev run-dynamics-case
basecase plot run01
channel-select.names.idev psse-programs-v28 troutbrook.rdch
copy-rdch run-dynamics-all0
-21-> /bin/ls -l
-22-> /bin/ls -t
-23-> /bin/ls -a
. create-dirs run-dynamics-all1
.. master.dynamics.idev run-dynamics-case
basecase plot run01
channel-select.names.idev psse-programs-v28 troutbrook.rdch
copy-rdch run-dynamics-all0
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< Message edited by benker -- May 27, '04, 12:44:43 PM >
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RE: operation of "ls" inconsistant - May 27, '04, 2:03:41 PM
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markfunk
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Which shell are you using ? ksh, csh, bash ??
FYI:
1) When debugging a problem, "which ls" is inconclusive. This 'which' command is probably a win32 command.
What you need is a command that is built into the shell for the result to be meaningful.
If you were using /bin/ksh and you did "whence ls", then there's a much higher confidence factor.
To be conclusive, only use "/bin/ls".
2) Using the output from "/bin/ls" is not a good way to debug the problem.
It invokes a lot of different library and system calls.
What Rodney is tryint to do is narrow down the scope of the problem and hopefully determine which system call or library routine is the culprit.
Normally, one either writes small programs that just does one or two things at a time to narrow doen the problem.
(ie. write a program that just does opendir/readdir/stat()s. or write a program that does fts*() calls. or ...)
3)Another way to try to figure out what's going on is to run truss.
Here's a script you can use.
Cut/paste this text into a file called "/tmp/testls.sh"
and then execute it as "ksh /tmp/testls.sh"
When it exits, you should look at the last /tmp/truss.out# file to see what system calls were performed and perhaps determine what went wrong.
#------------------------
export PATH=/bin
cnt=1
/bin/pwd
/bin/df -k .
while true; do
truss -o /tmp/truss.out$cnt /bin/ls -al > /tmp/junkjunk
echo "status = $?"
if [ ! -s /tmp/junkjunk ]; then
# /bin/ls generated no output, so exit and look at truss.out file
exit
fi
let "cnt = cnt + 1"
done
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 RE: operation of "ls" inconsistant - May 27, '04, 3:18:20 PM
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benker
Posts: 37
Joined: May 7, '04,
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Got it. The ONLY difference between "ls -al" working/not-working shown below is that I navigated to the directory in my Windows file manager before it would work.
Procedure:
1) discovered "ls -al" not working
2) ran script provided by markfunk
3) checked that "ls -al" still not working
4) navigated to the directory in Windows file manager
5) ran script provided by markfunk
6) confirmed that "ls -al" was working
/dev/fs/J/new-hampshire/troutbrook/dynamics
Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Type Mounted on
//WinDfs/J:0 551319184 329013948 222305236 60% ntfs /dev/fs/J
Here is the output when "ls -al" works correctly:
tracing pid 1097
getdata() getdata returned 0
getrlimit() getrlimit returned 0
pthread_inform_signals() pthread_inform_signals returned 0
open("/usr/share/locale//_ASCII", 0x1) open returned 4
read(4, 0x824330, 131072) read returned 131072 0x20000
close(4) close returned 0
open("/usr/share/locale//ASCII_", 0x1) open returned 4
read(4, 0x844338, 512) read returned 512 0x200
read(4, 0x844540, 131072) read returned 0
close(4) close returned 0
isatty(1) isatty returned 0
getids() getids returned 0
lstat(".", 0x01C10B28) lstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe495f2e8
open(".", 0x1) open returned 4
fchdir(4) fchdir returned 0
open(".", 0x1) open returned 5
open(".", 0x1) open returned 6
fstat(6, 0x1C10710, 0x1BF0710) fstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe495f2e8
fcntl(6, 0x3, 0x1) fcntl returned 0
fstat(6, 0x1C10710, 0x1BF0710) fstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe495f2e8
fchdir(6) fchdir returned 0
readdir(6, 0x844C8C, 5120, 1) readdir returned 582 0x246
lstat(".", 0x01C10B28) lstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe495f2e8
lstat("..", 0x01C10B28) lstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe3f42228
lstat("basecase", 0x01C10B38) lstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe3e936a8
lstat("master.dynamics.idev", 0x01C10B50) lstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe3482488
lstat("run01", 0x01C10B30) lstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe42a7328
lstat("copy-rdch", 0x01C10B38) lstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe405d4a8
lstat("create-dirs", 0x01C10B38) lstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe4884b48
lstat("plot", 0x01C10B30) lstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe496a848
lstat("run-dynamics-all0", 0x01C10B48) lstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe3e69b48
lstat("run-dynamics-all1", 0x01C10B48) lstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe2d9a008
lstat("run-dynamics-case", 0x01C10B48) lstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe530d568
lstat("channel-select.names.idev", 0x01C10B58) lstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe48cf648
lstat("psse-programs-v28", 0x01C10B48) lstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe5308728
lstat("troutbrook.rdch", 0x01C10B40) lstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe2da4568
lstat("troutbrook.rawd", 0x01C10B40) lstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe3f4b5a8
readdir(6, 0x844C8C, 5120, 0) readdir returned 0
close(6) close returned 0
pthread_mutex_destroy(0x844C78) pthread_mutex_destroy returned 0
fchdir(4) fchdir returned 0
fchdir(5) fchdir returned 0
close(5) close returned 0
getpwuid(0x10000006BCC, 0x0) getpwuid returned 0
getgrgid(0x10000000201, 0x1) getgrgid returned 0
fstat(1, 0x1C10710, 0x1BF0710) fstat ret: 0 dev: 0x40000000000043 ino: 0x00005e12
isatty(1) isatty returned 0
gettzenv() gettzenv returned 0
open_nocancel("/usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York", 0x1) open_nocancel returned 5
read_nocancel(5, 0x81DB7C, 7484) read_nocancel returned 1267 0x4F3
close_nocancel(5) close_nocancel returned 0
write(1, 0x84AA48, 1024) write returned 1024 0x400
lseek(0, 1, 0) lseek returned 0
lseek(0, 0, 0) lseek returned 0
write(1, 0x84AA48, 6) write returned 6
exit(0) process exited with status 0
Here is the output when "ls -al" doesn't work:
tracing pid 777
getdata() getdata returned 0
getrlimit() getrlimit returned 0
pthread_inform_signals() pthread_inform_signals returned 0
open("/usr/share/locale//_ASCII", 0x1) open returned 4
read(4, 0x824330, 131072) read returned 131072 0x20000
close(4) close returned 0
open("/usr/share/locale//ASCII_", 0x1) open returned 4
read(4, 0x844338, 512) read returned 512 0x200
read(4, 0x844540, 131072) read returned 0
close(4) close returned 0
isatty(1) isatty returned 0
getids() getids returned 0
lstat(".", 0x01B70B28) lstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe42a7328
open(".", 0x1) open returned 4
fchdir(4) fchdir returned 0
open(".", 0x1) open returned 5
open(".", 0x1) open returned 6
fstat(6, 0x1B70710, 0x1B50710) fstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe482f3e8
fcntl(6, 0x3, 0x1) fcntl returned 0
fstat(6, 0x1B70710, 0x1B50710) fstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe482f3e8
close(6) close returned 0
pthread_mutex_destroy(0x844C78) pthread_mutex_destroy returned 0
fchdir(5) fchdir returned 0
close(5) close returned 0
open(".", 0x1) open returned 5
fstat(5, 0x1B70710, 0x1B50710) fstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe482f3e8
fcntl(5, 0x3, 0x1) fcntl returned 0
fstat(5, 0x1B70710, 0x1B50710) fstat ret: 0 dev: 0x4102000000004a ino: 0xe482f3e8
close(5) close returned 0
pthread_mutex_destroy(0x844C78) pthread_mutex_destroy returned 0
exit(0) process exited with status 0
Permission information
-64-> cacls .
J:\new-hampshire\troutbrook\dynamics NU\benkech:(OI)(CI)(DENY)(special access:)
WRITE_DAC
NU\benkech:(OI)(CI)C
NU\DL-FS-ADMIN-FC:(OI)(CI)F
NU\Domain Admins:(OI)(CI)F
-65-> cacls ..
J:\new-hampshire\troutbrook NU\benkech:(OI)(CI)(DENY)(special access:)
WRITE_DAC
NU\benkech:(OI)(CI)C
NU\DL-FS-ADMIN-FC:(OI)(CI)F
NU\Domain Admins:(OI)(CI)F
-66-> ls -ald . ..
drwx------+ 6 benkech Domain Users 0 May 27 14:40 .
drwx------+ 1 benkech Domain Users 0 May 25 11:01 ..
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RE: operation of "ls" inconsistant - May 27, '04, 4:13:06 PM
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Rodney
Posts: 3728
Joined: Jul. 9, '02,
From: /Tools lab
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Well, obviously the output is the same up to that one fstat() which indicates
it returned a "0". Now I don't know if that "0" can be trusted or not because
the code takes different actions after that point (one does the fchdir).
So the question is "why?". I can only think that it has to do with the previous
fstat().
Here's something to try. I've written a utility call stat that will o/p
the "struct stat" for a list of file/dir names. There's lstat too.
They're just standalone in ftp://ftp.interopsystems.com/pub.
Try running this stat on "." and then the filenames therein.
If the stat fails then we know it's stat()/lstat() and not the lsprogram.
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RE: operation of "ls" inconsistant - May 27, '04, 4:36:53 PM
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markfunk
Posts: 673
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If you look closely, it would appear to be a Microsoft non-unique inode # problem.
Look at the case that does not work. There is a successful lstat(".") with an inode # 0xe42a7328
Following this is an open(".") and then a fstat() on this file descriptor. Notice that the inode # is different - 0xe482f3e8.
Oops.
This probably isn't Interix's fault at all. This is a feature of
Microsoft network filesystems. An optimization where they randomly pick
unique file serial numbers (inodes) so that they don't have to make a network request to get the actual file serial number.
I guess WinDFS isn't being treated as a network filesystem by Interix internally. There are already work arounds in the library (libc) code
when the inode is not reliable (see S_INO_RELIABLE bit in stat(2) man page)
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RE: operation of "ls" inconsistant - May 27, '04, 4:48:40 PM
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benker
Posts: 37
Joined: May 7, '04,
Status: offline
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Here's some interesting results. "ls -al" isn't working, but "stat" runs:
-85-> ls -al
-86-> /bin/ls -al
-87-> /dev/fs/J/bin/unix/stat . .. basecase channel-select.names.idev copy-rdch create-dirs master.dynamics.idev plot psse-pr
ograms-v28 run-dynamics-all0 run-dynamics-all1 run-dynamics-case run01 troutbrook.rawd troutbrook.rdch
.
mode: 20000040700 (drwx------+, directory, additional ACL info)
inode: -480766552
dev: 1090519114
rdev: 0
nlink: 1
uid: 1076172 (benkech)
gid: 1049089 (Domain Users)
size: 0 (0k, 0M)
atime: 1085689463 (Thu May 27 16:24:23 EDT 2004)
mtime: 1085683247 (Thu May 27 14:40:47 EDT 2004)
ctime: 1085683247 (Thu May 27 14:40:47 EDT 2004)
blksize: 4096
blocks: 0
attrs: 16
info: 1 (inode is reliable)
..
mode: 20000040700 (drwx------+, directory, additional ACL info)
inode: -460540440
dev: 1090519114
rdev: 0
nlink: 1
uid: 1076172 (benkech)
gid: 1049089 (Domain Users)
size: 0 (0k, 0M)
atime: 1085687135 (Thu May 27 15:45:35 EDT 2004)
mtime: 1085497279 (Tue May 25 11:01:19 EDT 2004)
ctime: 1085497279 (Tue May 25 11:01:19 EDT 2004)
blksize: 4096
blocks: 0
attrs: 16
info: 1 (inode is reliable)
basecase
mode: 20000040700 (drwx------+, directory, additional ACL info)
inode: -471255384
dev: 1090519114
rdev: 0
nlink: 3
uid: 1076172 (benkech)
gid: 1049089 (Domain Users)
size: 0 (0k, 0M)
atime: 1085687135 (Thu May 27 15:45:35 EDT 2004)
mtime: 1085683247 (Thu May 27 14:40:47 EDT 2004)
ctime: 1085683247 (Thu May 27 14:40:47 EDT 2004)
blksize: 4096
blocks: 0
attrs: 16
info: 1 (inode is reliable)
channel-select.names.idev
mode: 20000100700 (-rwx------+, regular file, additional ACL info)
inode: -468402168
dev: 1090519114
rdev: 0
nlink: 1
uid: 1076172 (benkech)
gid: 1049089 (Domain Users)
size: 856 (0k, 0M)
atime: 1085665067 (Thu May 27 09:37:47 EDT 2004)
mtime: 1011175960 (Wed Jan 16 05:12:40 EST 2002)
ctime: 1085665067 (Thu May 27 09:37:47 EDT 2004)
blksize: 4096
blocks: 2
attrs: 32
info: 1 (inode is reliable)
copy-rdch
mode: 20000100700 (-rwx------+, regular file, additional ACL info)
inode: -488130616
dev: 1090519114
rdev: 0
nlink: 1
uid: 1076172 (benkech)
gid: 1049089 (Domain Users)
size: 429 (0k, 0M)
atime: 1085680562 (Thu May 27 13:56:02 EDT 2004)
mtime: 1085668916 (Thu May 27 10:41:56 EDT 2004)
ctime: 1085668916 (Thu May 27 10:41:56 EDT 2004)
blksize: 4096
blocks: 1
attrs: 32
info: 1 (inode is reliable)
create-dirs
mode: 20000100700 (-rwx------+, regular file, additional ACL info)
inode: -484552696
dev: 1090519114
rdev: 0
nlink: 1
uid: 1076172 (benkech)
gid: 1049089 (Domain Users)
size: 226 (0k, 0M)
atime: 1085669516 (Thu May 27 10:51:56 EDT 2004)
mtime: 1013292194 (Sat Feb 9 17:03:14 EST 2002)
ctime: 1085669516 (Thu May 27 10:51:56 EDT 2004)
blksize: 4096
blocks: 1
attrs: 32
info: 1 (inode is reliable)
master.dynamics.idev
mode: 20000100700 (-rwx------+, regular file, additional ACL info)
inode: -461406200
dev: 1090519114
rdev: 0
nlink: 1
uid: 1076172 (benkech)
gid: 1049089 (Domain Users)
size: 7989 (7k, 0M)
atime: 1085680553 (Thu May 27 13:55:53 EDT 2004)
mtime: 1085593672 (Wed May 26 13:47:52 EDT 2004)
ctime: 1085670029 (Thu May 27 11:00:29 EDT 2004)
blksize: 4096
blocks: 16
attrs: 32
info: 1 (inode is reliable)
plot
mode: 40755 (drwxr-xr-x , directory)
inode: -488841208
dev: 1090519114
rdev: 0
nlink: 1
uid: 1076172 (benkech)
gid: 1049089 (Domain Users)
size: 0 (0k, 0M)
atime: 1085687135 (Thu May 27 15:45:35 EDT 2004)
mtime: 1085669490 (Thu May 27 10:51:30 EDT 2004)
ctime: 1085669490 (Thu May 27 10:51:30 EDT 2004)
blksize: 4096
blocks: 0
attrs: 16
info: 1 (inode is reliable)
psse-programs-v28
mode: 40700 (drwx------ , directory)
inode: -473999096
dev: 1090519114
rdev: 0
nlink: 1
uid: 1076172 (benkech)
gid: 1049089 (Domain Users)
size: 0 (0k, 0M)
atime: 1085687135 (Thu May 27 15:45:35 EDT 2004)
mtime: 1085592261 (Wed May 26 13:24:21 EDT 2004)
ctime: 1085592261 (Wed May 26 13:24:21 EDT 2004)
blksize: 4096
blocks: 0
attrs: 48
info: 1 (inode is reliable)
run-dynamics-all0
mode: 20000100700 (-rwx------+, regular file, additional ACL info)
inode: -488579064
dev: 1090519114
rdev: 0
nlink: 1
uid: 1076172 (benkech)
gid: 1049089 (Domain Users)
size: 412 (0k, 0M)
atime: 1085675434 (Thu May 27 12:30:34 EDT 2004)
mtime: 1085664801 (Thu May 27 09:33:21 EDT 2004)
ctime: 1085669557 (Thu May 27 10:52:37 EDT 2004)
blksize: 4096
blocks: 1
attrs: 32
info: 1 (inode is reliable)
run-dynamics-all1
mode: 20000100700 (-rwx------+, regular file, additional ACL info)
inode: -481320952
dev: 1090519114
rdev: 0
nlink: 1
uid: 1076172 (benkech)
gid: 1049089 (Domain Users)
size: 436 (0k, 0M)
atime: 1085665067 (Thu May 27 09:37:47 EDT 2004)
mtime: 1011910194 (Thu Jan 24 17:09:54 EST 2002)
ctime: 1085664814 (Thu May 27 09:33:34 EDT 2004)
blksize: 4096
blocks: 1
attrs: 32
info: 1 (inode is reliable)
run-dynamics-case
mode: 20000100700 (-rwx------+, regular file, additional ACL info)
inode: -450119832
dev: 1090519114
rdev: 0
nlink: 1
uid: 1076172 (benkech)
gid: 1049089 (Domain Users)
size: 844 (0k, 0M)
atime: 1085680343 (Thu May 27 13:52:23 EDT 2004)
mtime: 1085676204 (Thu May 27 12:43:24 EDT 2004)
ctime: 1085676204 (Thu May 27 12:43:24 EDT 2004)
blksize: 4096
blocks: 2
attrs: 32
info: 1 (inode is reliable)
run01
mode: 40755 (drwxr-xr-x , directory)
inode: -487907320
dev: 1090519114
rdev: 0
nlink: 1
uid: 1076172 (benkech)
gid: 1049089 (Domain Users)
size: 0 (0k, 0M)
atime: 1085687135 (Thu May 27 15:45:35 EDT 2004)
mtime: 1085676054 (Thu May 27 12:40:54 EDT 2004)
ctime: 1085676054 (Thu May 27 12:40:54 EDT 2004)
blksize: 4096
blocks: 0
attrs: 16
info: 1 (inode is reliable)
troutbrook.rawd
mode: 20000100700 (-rwx------+, regular file, additional ACL info)
inode: -465925304
dev: 1090519114
rdev: 0
nlink: 1
uid: 1076172 (benkech)
gid: 1049089 (Domain Users)
size: 1033 (1k, 0M)
atime: 1085683236 (Thu May 27 14:40:36 EDT 2004)
mtime: 1085683214 (Thu May 27 14:40:14 EDT 2004)
ctime: 1085683247 (Thu May 27 14:40:47 EDT 2004)
blksize: 4096
blocks: 3
attrs: 32
info: 1 (inode is reliable)
troutbrook.rdch
mode: 20000100700 (-rwx------+, regular file, additional ACL info)
inode: -481476600
dev: 1090519114
rdev: 0
nlink: 1
uid: 1076172 (benkech)
gid: 1049089 (Domain Users)
size: 983 (0k, 0M)
atime: 1085683236 (Thu May 27 14:40:36 EDT 2004)
mtime: 1085673171 (Thu May 27 11:52:51 EDT 2004)
ctime: 1085673171 (Thu May 27 11:52:51 EDT 2004)
blksize: 4096
blocks: 2
attrs: 32
info: 1 (inode is reliable)
-88-> /bin/ls -al
-89-> ls -al
-90->
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