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 X11->GDI library available? - Apr. 13, '06, 11:52:13 PM
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breiter
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I just watched Jason Zions do a demo of R2 Beta in which he had a demo of a library that mapped low-level X11 API calls to GDI. In his korn shell, I could see an xlibdll.dll and xlibdll.lib. He showed xtetris compiled and linked against xlibdll.dll running without an X server.
He said it was going to be made available. Does this actually exist anywhere?
< Message edited by breiter -- Apr. 14, '06, 7:55:49 AM >
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RE: X11->GDI library available? - Apr. 14, '06, 12:17:07 AM
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Rodney
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Not that I'm aware of. It had to have been a mixed-mode binary.
It wouldn't surprise me if MS won't release it for legal reasons.
But I can ask him. I'll send him e-mail and ask.
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RE: X11->GDI library available? - Apr. 14, '06, 8:20:23 AM
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breiter
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Rodney
It wouldn't surprise me if MS won't release it for legal reasons.
The xlibdll.dll stuff was mixed-mode. It seemed like a really cool idea.
This legal concern over X11 strikes me as bizarre. The VP of sales at Starnet told me that they were close to a deal with Microsoft to bundle X-Win32 (ala Hyperterm, defrag, etc.) but the whole thing fell apart over concerns of antitrust lawsuits.
It just strikes me as bizarre. Microsoft's official position appears to be "bundling our own X server wouldn't add value" because there are a dozen commercial X servers for Windows out there. But obviously that misses the point because they all cost extra money to license and have to be deployed separately from the bits on the Windows CD.
It looks to me like Microsoft is about the only major commercial operating system vendor that *doesn't* offer an X server option: Apple OS X, SUN Solaris, RedHat Enterprise Linux, Novell SuSE Linux, *BSD... The only thing I can think of out there that doesn't have X available from the vendor is IBM OS/2 (dead), Be/Zeta OS (I'm not dead, yet! I feel happy! I feel happ... Thunk.), SkyOS (5 people use this) and ReactOS (because it is an NT4 clone attempt).
Maybe I would feel differently if I worked for Exceed or Starnet, but it seems to me that Microsoft should bundle something clean and basic along the lines of the X.org baseline (http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming). It should be up to the commercial vendors to *add* value, not Microsoft to cripple their product to create space for them.
This whole gotcha-last, compete-by-lawsuit, ask-the-ref-for-a-do-over, eolas/ntp/sco-type nonsense is really starting to depress me.
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RE: X11->GDI library available? - Apr. 18, '06, 5:20:09 PM
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Rodney
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Jason got back to me. It's "just not available yet".
The example was just specific for xtetris.
So there might be more happening to it for other apps.
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